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High Priest Mikhal
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Okay, so I got my terms mixed up. It's been a while since I studied astronomy. But my point remains even if Proxima is only four light years away. That's one hell of a long trip (lights travels at around 300,000 kilometers/186,000 miles a second; multiply that by four years worth of seconds). I doubt even the Migou could travel that far in their lifetimes without FTL.
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imposterzilla
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| They'get there in a hundred or so years. Which is in their life time. |
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Dorchadas
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Well, now that people have made the same mistake in this thread, I can understand the authors better. :p
I don't have a problem with generation ships. If the migou can clone up an army 2 billion strong and build mecha for them to use and ships to transport them in three years, surviving a trek between close stars should be easy.
Personally, I suspect the migou know that FTL is possible, and probably know how to do it, but consider it too dangerous to actually use. Mucking around with other dimensions tends to end poorly in Cthulhutech. |
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High Priest Mikhal
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| Dorchadas wrote: | | Personally, I suspect the migou know that FTL is possible, and probably know how to do it, but consider it too dangerous to actually use. Mucking around with other dimensions tends to end poorly in Cthulhutech. |
Now that I have to agree with. Without getting into the physics (quantum and meta) of FTL, things could go horribly wrong a la Event Horizon. Slow-mo the scene where they show the restored footage of the Event Horizon's crew mutilating each other for an idea of how wrong, especially in the universe of CTech. Liberate tuteme ex inferis indeed.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:07 am Post subject: the time abbyss |
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| the migou where sailing the stars millions of years before humanity evolved. so its quite possible they colonized a good chunk of the galaxy using slower than light travel. also keep in mind the miguo did not invent the d engine or archanotech. so its even more unlikely they have any form of ftl. stuff like teleportation or twisting the laws of physics to the point of ftl seeming possble seems to be humanity's thing so i doubt the migou could ever come up with a form of ftl |
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Dorchadas
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: the time abbyss |
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| random-npc wrote: | | the migou where sailing the stars millions of years before humanity evolved. so its quite possible they colonized a good chunk of the galaxy using slower than light travel. |
Yeah. Honestly, the description of the migou make them sound non-expansionist anyway. They don't have population pressure to worry about, so they don't have to constantly expand and send the young off to die in foreign wars.
| Quote: | | also keep in mind the miguo did not invent the d engine or archanotech. so its even more unlikely they have any form of ftl. |
It does say that they had a D-engine-like power source, just that humanity's version is better. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Dorchadas wrote: | Well, now that people have made the same mistake in this thread, I can understand the authors better. :p
I don't have a problem with generation ships. If the migou can clone up an army 2 billion strong and build mecha for them to use and ships to transport them in three years, surviving a trek between close stars should be easy.
Personally, I suspect the migou know that FTL is possible, and probably know how to do it, but consider it too dangerous to actually use. Mucking around with other dimensions tends to end poorly in Cthulhutech. |
Hell, mucking about with this dimension is bad enough. Even if you only use the races mentioned in Cthulhutech and ignore all other mythos stuff as non-canon, there's been a pretty large number of intelligent (and mutually hostile) civilizations that have existed on Earth over the millenia. If the rest of the galaxy is like that it's gonna be teeming with incomprehensible aliens who'll be hostile to both humans and migou. Not to mention worlds where the natives have been wiped out by extradimensional critters or enslaved by cults worshiping eldritch horrors.
So even if FTL travel doesn't involve mucking about with other dimensions, it's probably not a very smart idea. |
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As the faux-Akeley said:
| Quote: | | "Do you know that Einstein is wrong, and that certain objects and forces can move with a velocity greater than that of light? With proper aid I expect to go backward and forward in time, and actually see and feel the earth of remote past and future epochs. You can’t imagine the degree to which those beings have carried science. There is nothing they can’t do with the mind and body of living organisms. I expect to visit other planets, and even other stars and galaxies. The first trip will be to Yuggoth, the nearest world fully peopled by the beings. It is a strange dark orb at the very rim of our solar system - unknown to earthly astronomers as yet." |
It's reasonable to assume from Lovecraft's own writings that the Migou have mastered superluminal travel, apparently by creating closed timelike curves.
Alternately, since they're not from around here ("Light even hurts and hampers and confuses them, for it does not exist at all in the black cosmos outside time and space where they came from originally."), maybe they pass back into that black cosmos outside space and time, where physical laws are different, to travel between the stars.
Yes, that would make travelling through hyperspace a trip beyond the curved rim of space and time and back.
For more fun, maybe they can warp local spacetime (a la the Alcubierre drive).
Personally, I'd use all three methods. Time-travelling, space-warping creatures that short-cut through parallel universes with different physical constants.
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| Damn you Asariel! Thanks to the closed timelike curves and Alcubierre drive I'm not going to sleep for nights to come. |
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Asariel
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| Magistergrefu wrote: | | Damn you Asariel! Thanks to the closed timelike curves and Alcubierre drive I'm not going to sleep for nights to come. |
Well, this is a game inspired by Lovecraft. Science should be used for unsettling purposes.
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